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    Keymaster

    Hello.

    Hope you are well. Thanks so much for the question. The post prandial bile acids of 50 is a bit of a grey zone. I would still be suspicious of a shunt at this level if clinical signs fit, which they seem to. It is slightly weird that the neurological signs have not shown themselves until now. Normally the shunts that we find in older dogs present with GI or urogenital signs.

    I would definitely consider CT or ultrasound to look for a shunt in this case.

    Scott 🙂

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    Hello!

    What a great case! I would love to see some images! Would you be able to upload them?

    this might be worth publishing!

    I would treat like emphysematous cholecystitis. Anaerobes are most commonly isolated and include E. coli and Clostridium perfringens.48 Fluoroquinolones, metronidazole, and chloramphenicol are commonly used as they achieve high concentrations in bile and have strong anaerobic activity.

    Hope that helps.

    Scott 🙂

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    Hey.

    I think they are definitely referring to the level of consciousness. I am not able to find anything in the literature that talks about this being specifically validated.

    I think there is obviously a sliding scale between totally conscious and totally unconscious under the influence of drugs… I think this is what they must be referring to.

    I agree with Sara, I would definitely be checking for a gag reflex in any patient where emesis is a consideration.

    Scott 🙂

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    This is an interesting question that much better developed in human medicine:

    The most common functional disorder of the biliary tract and pancreas relates to the activity of the Sphincter of Oddi. The Sphincter of Oddi is a small smooth muscle sphincter strategically placed at the junction of the bile duct, pancreatic duct, and duodenum. The sphincter controls flow of bile and pancreatic juices into the duodenum and prevents reflux of duodenal content into the ducts. Disorder in its motility is called Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction. Clinically this presents either with recurrent abdominal biliary type pain or episodes of recurrent pancreatitis. Most of these patients present with abdominal pain. Symptomatic treatment comprises treatment of abdominal pain. In patients with a severe episode of either biliary or pancreatic Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction the most appropriate pain medication is parenteral opiates. This is despite the known observation that opiates produce sphincter of Oddi contraction. The rational for their use is that the contraction has already occurred and the opiate is unlikely to aggravate matters further. However, on the other hand opiates are the most effective therapy for pain relief. In order to prevent future episodes in patients who have identified opiates such as codeine to provoke pain avoidance of these medications is recommended. There is no effective pharmaceutical therapy for these patients.

    Reflecting on that, I would not withhold methadone/full opioids in cases of abdominal pain. If the rationale is that we are preventing Sphincter of Oddi contraction, it has probably already happened in these cases. In cases of known pancreatitis we would still use opioids, as further contraction will not worsen signs.

    The only thing that we may have to be cautious of is long term opioid use, which is not really a thing for our patients:

    https://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(13)00507-6/pdf

    Hope that helps!

    Scott x

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    So funny that this was the first thing that came up!!!!

    It was all meant to be!

    Scott x

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    Hello.

    Thank you again for all of your great questions.

    Regarding the analysis of bile. I would definitely consider bile sampling in any symptomatic case where you suspect cholangiohepatitis, both dogs and cats. Sludge is definitely likely to be an insignificant finding in dogs but would increase my index of suspicion of disease in cats.

    Regarding chololithiasis. The biggest part of the decision making will depend on whether there is significant/complete obstruction of the biliary system. Complete obstruction would usually require surgical intervention. The problems would also be surgical if there was evidence of bile peritonitis.

    I think in cases where you think bilirubin is increased for hepatic and post hepatic reasons, ultrasound is always a good idea.

    Never a silly question!

    Scott 🙂

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    Keymaster

    Thanks so much for this question.

    I do not think it is completely necessary to run BAST before GA in these cases. In chronic hepatopathy cases where all the other liver function parameters are normal, you are fine to go ahead with the GA in cases where necessary. As you said, I would b caseful about drug dosages.

    Thanks.

    Scott 🙂

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    Absolutely!

    I would definitely add in a product with SAMe and silymarin.

    Scott 🙂

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    Hello.

    Thank you so much for your question. I hope you are enjoying the course.

    Effective treatment of canine leptospirosis consists of appropriate antimicrobial therapy and supportive care for the different organ systems involved. Leptospires are susceptible to a wide range of antibiotics in vitro, but the capacity of antibiotics to completely eradicate infection in vivo, in particular renal carriage, varies. Penicillin and its derivatives have been shown to reduce leptospiremia but fail to reliably clear the organisms from the kidney. Doxycycline has been shown to clear leptospires from blood and organs including kidneys in rodent models. Therefore, currently it is recommended to treat dogs with leptospirosis with oral doxycycline (5 mg/kg PO q 12 h or 10 mg/kg PO q 24 h) for 14 days. Unfortunately, doxycycline often is not well tolerated in the early phase of treatment because GI signs are common in acute leptospirosis. In these cases, initial therapy with an intravenous penicillin derivative (e.g., penicillin G, ampicillin, amoxicillin) often is recommended until doxycycline can be used. Macrolide antibiotics such as azithromycin and third-generation cephalosporins have been assessed in animal models and have been proposed as alternative treatment in humans who cannot tolerate doxycycline treatment.

    Otherwise, treatment is supportive depending on clinical signs and how the patient is affected. Fluid therapy and antiemetics are often required. Patients that develop pulmonary signs may require oxygen supplementation.

    Hope that helps.

    Scott 🙂

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    Hello Jeanette,

    Thank you for your question. The gold standard approach to the PCV is to fill the tube from an EDTA sample.

    Regarding getting glass on the refractometer… I am not sure I have any top tips, I am really bad at this! I normally get one of my much more talented nurses to do it!

    Others may have some better advice!

    Scott 🙂

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    Hey Beth.

    Thanks again for the question regarding heparin and PCV.

    Specific studies evaluating the effect of different anticoagulants on PCV and total protein in dogs are few in number. Of those available, only a small number of samples have been tested. Dubin et al. (1976) reported that PCV was 2 to 6·5% lower in 36 EDTA samples at two different concentrations compared to 30 heparin samples. Such a difference might be explained by EDTA hypertonicity leading to cellular dehydration and consequently to a reduction in PCV (Dubin et al. 1976). In this study, PCV measured in heparin and EDTA samples were significantly correlated. Despite this, there was a statistically significant difference in the values obtained with heparin PCV consistently being higher than EDTA PCV. The magnitude of the difference was only in the region of 1 ±2%. Therefore, although no other opinion was sought, it was not considered to be of major clinical importance and would have had no real impact on clinical decision making. The use of a standard type of EDTA tube (1·6 mg of anticoagulant for 1·3 mL of blood) rather than tubes with higher concentrations of EDTA may explain the difference between this and the study by Dubin et al. (1976). Furthermore, TPr measured in heparin and EDTA samples were significantly correlated and there was no significant difference in the values obtained. Increasing concentrations of EDTA, as might occur with incomplete filling of blood tubes, are known to increase TPr (total protein) (Dubin & Hunt 1978). However, meticulous care was taken in this study to accurately fill tubes mitigating against varying EDTA concentrations. This may help to explain the lack of any difference between LiH and EDTA samples. These results suggest either anticoagulant can be used to simultaneously and interchangeably measure PCV and TPr if only one sample type is available at any one time.

    In a more recent study PCV and TPr were measured in 43 corresponding heparin and EDTA samples. There was an excellent
    correlation (r=0·97, P<0·0001) between the PCV obtained from heparin (44 ±8%) and EDTA (43 ±7%) samples. However,
    there was a statistically significant (P<0·0001) difference between the values obtained. Compared to EDTA, the PCV determined from heparin samples was overestimated with a mean bias of 1·29.

    Overall, there are differences, but it is probably fine to use both. EDTA would still be considered gold standard, but if only heparin available this should be OK.

    Hope that helps.

    Scott 🙂

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    Keymaster

    Hello everyone!

    So lovely to hear from you. It is particularly exciting that everyone is from all over the world!

    Some great questions already. I will answer below.

    Scott 🙂

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    I think you are right, this is obviously a bad complication, but quite rare in the grand scheme of things. I had a look through the other literature and overall it is reassuring. This recent JVECCS paper is helpful:

    Retrospective evaluation of factors associated with degree of oesophagitis, treatment, and outcomes in dogs presenting with esophageal foreign bodies (2004-2014): 114 cases

    Abstract

    Objective: To characterize a population of dogs presenting for oesophageal foreign body removal and evaluate factors associated with degree of oesophagitis and minor and major complications.

    Design: Retrospective evaluation of dogs who presented for oesophageal foreign body removal between January 2004 and December 2014.

    Setting: University veterinary teaching hospital.

    Animals: Data collected from 114 dogs included signalment, history, clinical signs, physical examination findings, duration and location of foreign body, degree of oesophagitis, foreign body removal success, feeding tube placement, and clinical outcomes. Owners were contacted for outcome data not available in the medical record. Data were analyzed for breed predispositions, whether duration or type of foreign body was associated with degree of esophagitis or complications, and factors associated with feeding tube placement.

    Measurements and main results: The overall success rate for foreign body removal via oesophagoscopy was 95% with a complication rate of 22%. Small breed dogs were overrepresented. Dogs with a foreign body present for >24 h were significantly more likely to have severe esophagitis (P < 0.001) and major complications (P = 0.0044). Foreign body type did not predict degree of oesophagitis or complications, though fishhooks were more likely to require surgical removal (P = 0.033). Feeding tubes (15 gastrostomy, 1 nasoesophageal) were placed in 14% of dogs and were more likely to be placed if the foreign body had been present for >24 h (P < 0.001). Conclusions: Consistent with previous studies, oesophageal foreign bodies, appropriately identified and endoscopically removed, carry a good prognosis, particularly if they have been present for ≤24 h. The majority of dogs recovered without any minor or major complications (56/72, 78%). Overall, 16 patients had a complication reported, including those who did not survive to discharge. Four dogs recovered with minor complications (6%); 5 dogs suffered major complications (7%); 1 dog had a gastrostomy tube-associated complication (1%); 2 dogs underwent cardiopulmonary arrest under anesthesia (3%); 3 were euthanized prior to discharge (4%), and 1 decompensated within 24 h of discharge and was represented for euthanasia (1%). Minor complications included vomiting/diarrhea (3) and cough/tracheitis (1). No dogs were reported to have inappetence following foreign body removal. Major complications included oesophageal stricture (4) and aspiration pneumonia (2); 1 of the 5 dogs with major complications suffered from both aspiration pneumonia and an oesophageal stricture. Of the 4 dogs with a documented stricture, 2 were ultimately euthanized due to this complication, and 2 were managed with a gastrostomy tube. The gastrostomy tube-associated complication was described as pain associated with the feeding tube stoma. The overall complication rate for our patient population was 22% (16/72). Take home message... don't be scared! Scott 🙂

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    Keymaster

    Thanks.

    Intermittent seizuring like that is quite uncommon with liver disease. I think it is more likely that the epilepsy is worsening? Neurological signs with liver disease normally happen at very advanced stages of diseases, so would be unusual for the dog to be normal in between.

    Just a thought.

    Scott x

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    Good old rutin!

    I have never been sure about how effective it is… but definitely worth a go!

    Would be interesting to hear how this case does.

    Scott 🙂

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