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Replying to Julie S. 07/04/2022 - 11:34
Hello!
Lovely to see you here too. You will be busy with GI and endocrine at the same time!
Thank you again for the support.
Scott π
Replying to Sophie I. 07/04/2022 - 16:28
Hello.
Lovely to hear from you. I hope you are well.
I am not 100% sure… but I know a man how will know!
I will speak to Jocep and let you know!
Scott π
Replying to Raquel M. 24/03/2022 - 13:19
Hey Raquel.
I hope you are safe and well and having a lovely week. Thank you again for your brilliant questions. I have popped your questions below and my thoughts underneath. I did not want to miss anything:
Hello,
1) (a) what would you suggest for cases where an animal is reported to have a pinkish color in the vomitus or a few drops of blood as per O?
This is a great question and challenging to give a definitive answer. I would say in acute cases, when patients are well otherwise, I would not jump to use a PPI. If the presence of blood continued despite symptomatic therapy (antiemetic), or there was evidence of melena, then I would consider the use of a PPI.
(b) also if the owner reported the above was a one-off incident(or intermittent) and the other episodes of vomiting didnβt indicate any signs of blood then would you start with a PPi? Or only if the diagnostic workup confirmed GI ulceration?
Again, I would probably not. In there cases when intermittent. Endoscopy/ultrasound would be perfect to confirm ulceration or not.
Was just wondering if thereβs not a substantial amount of frank blood in the vomitus and the pinkish color or specks of blood reported by owner arenβt persistent. Then is it appropriate to use PPIs or not? Especially if the owner is unable to complete a full workup to rule out ulceration.
I think for small amounts I would be rushing to use. If this was persistent and the owners were not able to carry out much work up then I would consider a PPI.
I hope that helps/makes sense.
Scott π
Replying to Julie S. 04/04/2022 - 11:30
Hello.
The other thing that may be of benefit when assessing whether a proton pump inhibitor (or any other drug) has had a significant effect on the microbiome would be to consider the dysbiosis index:
https://www.idexxbioanalytics.com/microbiome-analysis
Scott π
Replying to Julie S. 24/03/2022 - 11:37
Hello.
Great question! The main data is from the human literature. There are lots of paper. A example of a recent review:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33560890/
The following is from that review:
Gut Dysbiosis
A growing area of concern with chronic PPI use is the development of gut dysbiosis. Gut dysbiosis results after chronic suppression of gastric acid leads to an increased pH in the small intestine, causing an imbalance in the microbiota. This affects the metabolism of foods and medications and can lead to an inflammatory state due to increased gastrin. Gastrin level elevation is directly correlated to PPI dose; this is significant because patients often have their dosage increased until symptoms are controlled. The decrease in the pH of gastric content can also result in small intestinal bacterial overgrowth (SIBO) defined as overgrowth greater than 105 bacteria per mL. Small intestinal bacterial overgrowth is characterized by malabsorption, bloating, diarrhea, and weight loss. Changes in the microbiome include increases in Streptococcus, Staphylococcus, Escherichia, Bacteroides, Lactobacillus, and Clostridium.
Overall, the effect on the microbiome is variable depending on the study. I would indeed chose the best probiotic, based on strains.
I currently tend to use Vivomixx, as it is the same composition as what used to be VSL#3, which has the most evidence attached. This is also, as Sivomixx is currently not available for shipping to the UK, they have some licensing issues. Also, Vivomixx can be at room temperature for up to 7 days, which makes posting easier, but then it should go back in the fridge. Dosing is a bit arbitrary, I popped the dosing guide for Sivomixx in another post, which I use as a guide for Vivomixx as well.
Hope that helps.
Scott π
Replying to Kim Choo L. 05/04/2022 - 12:49
Hello Kim.
Lovely to hear from you! I am so glad that you are part of the course.
Let me know if you have any questions at any time.
Scott π
Replying to Natalie H. 06/04/2022 - 10:01
Hey.
The most evidence is actually for budesonide foam. It is used mostly in humans for ulcerative colitis:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32189103/
There is not data in dogs. I would consider this as an option in very refractory cases of colitis and proctitis. The biggest issue with this treatment is the tolerance of the patient!
Replying to Hannah B. 23/03/2022 - 17:25
Hello.
Thank you for your question. I hope you are having a lovely week. I popped the following information on our members forum and I thought it might be helpful:
”Cats with chronic upper respiratory disease/rhinitis can sometimes be really challenging to treat and become very congested. There are no scientific studies to support and describe the use of intranasal maropitant citrate, and this would be off-label use. The described use is done by diluting 1ml of maropitant to 9ml of saline (10% dilution) and using this as an intranasal drop. Most individuals that report anecdotal response are using 1-2 drops daily or every other day.
The use of intranasal maropitant for cats is generally reserved for those with severe rhinitis (nasal congestion/inflammation), as maropitant is thought to directly target inflammation. Maropitant is a neurokinin-1 (NK1) receptor antagonist that acts in the central nervous system by inhibiting Substance P. Though maropitant is labeled for use to control vomiting, substance P has been documented to be released in the respiratory tract following inflammation or irritation.”
Hope that helps.
Scott π
Replying to Sybil Dryburgh 23/03/2022 - 13:34
Hey.
Great question. I will try and find some supporting literature. Furosemide certainly has more than just its diuretic effects.
I will also ask Liz to comment as she has lots more experience with this drug.
Scott x
Hello
For the chronic cases I currently use Vivomixx, as it is the same composition as what used to be VSL#3, which has the most evidence attached. This is also, as Sivomixx is currently not available for shipping to the UK, they have some licensing issues. Also, Vivomixx can be at room temperature for up to 7 days, which makes posting easier, but then it should go back in the fridge. Dosing is a bit arbitrary, but Iβve attached the dosing guide for Sivomixx, which I use as a guide for Vivomixx as well.
Hope that helps.
Scott π
Replying to Lesley M. 10/03/2022 - 23:02
Hello.
Did this one ever come back and see you?
Scott π
Replying to Raquel M. 24/03/2022 - 16:32
Hey again!
I have shared this paper before, but I think it also supports the chat we have having about prophylactic omeprazole use:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34337965/
Hope that helps.
Scott π
Replying to Raquel M. 24/03/2022 - 16:32
Hey.
This is a slightly tricky one. I would definitely never use omeprazole in this prophylactic way and I would not start omeprazole so that NSAIDs could be started again.
However, as always, if a NSAID causes an ulcer, then omeprazole is totally appropriate and the NSAID discontinued.
I think in this case it is not clear that there was an ulcer. I would definitely not stop start the NSAID with omeprazole in-between.
Could you consider an alternative in this case for the OA pain:
https://www2.zoetis.co.uk/products-solutions/dogs/oa-pain/librela
Have you used a lot of Librela?
I am sorry that is not a very definitive answer, it is a tricky one.
Scott π
Replying to Raquel M. 24/03/2022 - 16:32
Hello.
I hope you are well. I have popped the first part of your question below so I do not miss anything:
”A colleague had discontinued NSAIDs in a dog on long term nsaid use for arthritis throughout his elbows and hips. He had discontinued it because after questioning the owner had reported that the dog had been eating grass for the last few months. The dog had been doing really well on multimodal pain management along with the NSAIDs. I wasnβt aware that eating grass was a clinical sign of nausea or indication of GI ulceration from NSAID use. Are you able to shed some light on this? Is this something I should questioning owners about or is this something unproven?”
Eating grass can indeed be a clinical sign of nausea, but it is really non specific. They can obviously eat grass for lots of other reasons. Again, you could see this with ulceration from NSAIDs secondary to nausea. It is a fine line to walk as you would obviously not want to continue NSAIDs in a dog that was developing ulcers. I would have considered a couple of days of anti-emetic therapy first and see what kind of response there was. Abdominal ultrasound may also be useful for ulceration, although small ulcers are difficult to detect. You could possibly consider faecal occult blood testing as another way of looking for ulceration/bleeding.
Overall, this is not something I would routinely be asking owners about but could flag up the possibility of nausea.
Scott π
Replying to Katerina N. 10/03/2022 - 11:42
Hello Katerina!
I hope you are safe and well and enjoying the course.
Sound like a brilliant approach to me!
Scott π
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