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Replying to Jane Sedgewick 14/05/2025 - 11:57
The clinical signs are absolutely key in these cases.
I have popped together a clinical sign monitoring chart for patients. I am happy to share it with you if you think that would be helpful?
Owners love this for monitoring purposes.
Scott 🙂
Replying to Jane Sedgewick 14/05/2025 - 11:41
Hi Jane,
Thank you so much for your reply. I completely agree that this is a tricky area, especially in the charity setting where repeat testing (aside from urine, which I’m also a huge fan of) can be harder to justify.
I think one of the biggest questions to answer, both for individual clinicians and when shaping internal guidelines, is whether a mildly increased SDMA would actually stop you from doing something. For example, would you hold off on a routine neutering in a young dog with no other clinical concerns but a slightly elevated SDMA?
That’s always been the grey area for me, and I’ve found it surprisingly difficult to get a straight answer from IDEXX in those scenarios. Their algorithm is helpful to a point, but it tends to assume you’re already in “investigation mode” rather than facing the real-world dilemma of deciding whether to proceed with an elective procedure.
Their guidance suggests:
15–19 µg/dL: Perform a complete urinalysis and assess for persistence and evidence of renal disease before determining next steps.
≥ 20 µg/dL: Assume kidney disease is probable, act immediately, and begin working through their investigative and monitoring protocol.
But in practice, that still leaves us trying to balance theoretical risk with the patient in front of us, especially in those young dogs where SDMA might be up for any number of transient reasons. I think any guidelines you put together will be hugely helpful in giving confidence and consistency across your team.
Happy to help where I can.
I hope you are having a great week,
Scott 🙂
This is very helpful Aaron!
Thank you so much for sharing.
I hope you are having a good week.
Scott 🙂
Replying to Janette B. 13/05/2025 - 17:57
Perfect!
Thank you!
Scott 🙂
Replying to Suzi Bailey 12/05/2025 - 23:27
Hi Suzi,
Thanks so much for your great questions. I really hope you are enjoying the course.
1. Refractory or recurrent Giardia infections
You’re definitely not alone in seeing more of these. My current approach is:
If a dog doesn’t respond to a 5-day course of fenbendazole (50 mg/kg PO SID), I’ll typically repeat the same course first, as I find some dogs need two full rounds before we see clearance—especially in multi-pet households or where environmental contamination is possible.
Only after a second fenbendazole course fails would I consider combining fenbendazole and metronidazole concurrently (the latter at 10–15 mg/kg BID for 5–7 days), although I try to avoid metronidazole unless really necessary due to its potential microbiota impact.
Environmental hygiene is critical—daily bathing, decontaminating surfaces, prompt faeces removal, and sometimes bathing with chlorhexidine-based products if there’s heavy shedding.
I’m increasingly increasing fibre in the diets of these dogs.
I’ve also started incorporating faecal microbiota transplantation (FMT) more routinely for dogs with relapsing diarrhoea or poor recovery post-Giardia—especially those with previous antibiotic exposure or persistent dysbiosis.
2. Acute diarrhoea progressing to chronic enteropathy
Yes, this is something I’m seeing with increasing frequency. Dogs that start out with a single episode of acute diarrhoea (often due to Giardia or dietary indiscretion) seem to lose resilience and go on to develop chronic signs.
Like you, I suspect that:
Early or repeated antibiotic exposure, particularly metronidazole, may contribute to long-term dysbiosis and altered mucosal immune function.
There may be a “tipping point” in genetically susceptible dogs that progresses to immune-mediated enteropathy after an acute GI insult.
This is exactly why I’m cautious now with antibiotics in acute cases. Instead, I often use:
Probiotics (Visbiome, Vivomixx, FortiFlora)
Fibre supplementation (psyllium or canned pumpkin)
Clay binders, and
Close dietary review from the outset.
3. When to use immunosuppressives – before or after biopsy?
You’re absolutely right that this is nuanced. Here’s how I generally approach it:
If there is marked hypoalbuminaemia, GI bleeding, or other red-flag features (weight loss, anaemia, low cobalamin), I prioritise biopsy before steroids.
If the case is moderate and owners are hesitant, I will sometimes trial immunosuppression empirically, but I document the limitations clearly and try to re-approach biopsy if the response is incomplete.
If steroids have already been started and we’re considering biopsies, I usually recommend a washout of 2–4 weeks (depending on severity and taper status) before sampling to avoid histopathological distortion.
4. Metronidazole-responsive or dependent CE cases
Yes—I’ve had similar Golden Retrievers in particular that seem metronidazole-responsive even after extensive trials.
In these truly refractory cases:
I still trial antibiotics—but very much as a last resort, and with awareness of the long-term impacts.
If long-term antibiotics are required, I’m now more inclined to use tylosin over metronidazole, supported by evidence such as the randomized controlled trial by Kilpinen et al. (Acta Vet Scand. 2011):
Tylosin (25 mg/kg SID) was significantly more effective than placebo in dogs with presumed tylosin-responsive diarrhoea, with 85% achieving normal stool consistency during relapse episodes.
PMID: 21489311I find tylosin to be better tolerated, with less dysbiosis and neurotoxicity risk than metronidazole.
I’ll also continue probiotics alongside to help mitigate any microbiota impact, and will sometimes reintroduce FMT or increase fibre support if relapse occurs on withdrawal.
Thanks again, really appreciated your insight here. Please do keep the questions coming, and I’d love to hear how your Golden cases evolve.
Let me know how you are getting on with the course.
Best wishes,
Scott 🙂
Thank you so much for all of this Helen.
And thank you for being brilliant!
Scott 🙂
Replying to Katherine Howie 19/05/2025 - 11:44
This is an interesting paper!
Thanks for sharing!
Scott 🙂
That’s such a good point, Kath — do you ever repeat the coccygeal blocks in hospitalised cats after the initial catheter placement? I’ve wondered if it might help in some of the really agitated ones, but haven’t used it routinely. Curious if you’ve found it helpful beyond the initial intervention.
Scott 🙂
Talking about feline lower urinary tract disease… I thought it would be worth sharing these brilliant new guidelines:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1098612X241309176
Scott 🙂
Great case Janette, really nicely managed and a good reminder of how stabilisation can completely change the outcome.
Do you tend to use calcium gluconate first line in all your hyperkalaemic cats, or more selectively based on ECG changes?
Thanks again for sharing.
Scott 🙂
Replying to Anna J. 13/05/2025 - 19:19
Anna!
Welcome. Thank you for joining us!
I really hope that you enjoy the course. 3 children would be enough for me without adding in the dog and the chickens! 🙂
Scott 🙂
Replying to Liz Bode 12/05/2025 - 21:15
I am not brave enough to say!
Scott 🙂
Replying to Jon H. 12/05/2025 - 20:48
Hey Jon.
Thank you so much for joining us and for your brilliant contribution.
My list of historical nightmares is too long to share sadly.
Scott 🙂
Replying to Raquel M. 14/05/2025 - 12:00
Hey Raquel!
Hope you are well. Charily practice? On the island? Tell us more! That sounds like an exciting change.
My favourite job to date was working for the PDSA when I first graduated.
Scott 🙂
Replying to Jane Sedgewick 14/05/2025 - 11:46
No problem!
These sorts of consensus statements are brilliant for helping creating protocols.
Cleaver people get together and do the work for us!
Scott 🙂
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