scott@vtx-cpd.com
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Sooo…
This is a very interesting point… I love this trick. When I first graduaed I remeber my mentor saying to me that I should mix 0.5ml of ketamine and 0.5ml of diazepam in a 1ml syringe and give to effect!… and I never looked back! Does work really well.
Scott 🙂
This is really helpful Gemma.
Thank you!
Scott 🙂
Really good point.
The numbers in the dog studies are so much better.
It definately highlights the need for owner discussion prior to surgery.
Scott 🙂
Hello.
Thank you so much for the questions. I am glad you are enjoying the course.
The cat question is a good one! There is a very recent paper looking at that exact question:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32691934/
This would suggest that it is not necessary as a pre-treatment. I would consider using levetiracetam to manage any post attenuation neurological signs if they develop.
It is a really good point regarding the omeprazole. Overall, these cases seem to tolerate the omeprazole at the standard doses, so I would use at 1mg/kg BID.
Hope that helps.
Scott 🙂
This is really interesting Simon!
I think Andy’s question about intralipid is a really good one… I might indeed be a consideration in these cases.
Why have the human medics moved away from gastric lavage? Is there evidence to support worse outcomes? I wonder if the outcomes are worse in these cases because they have the more severe toxins to begin with?
It is always a worry inducing emesis in the cases that are neurological or likely to become neurological. If they are obviously neurological on presentation when I would not induce emesis. If they are clinically normal on presentation I often will.
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I feel your pain! Hope things settle down a bit! 🙂
Thank you Gemma.
This is really useful. Thank you so much for this.
Scott 🙂
Andy…
I think this actually raises a really good point. Is an epidural something a nurse can do?!
I dont know the answer?!
Anyone?
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Hey Charlotte.
Hope that sounds OK. If your clinics are anything like mine at the moment, I understand why you are a bit behind!
The discussion forum will be live till then, so feel free to keep asking questions.
Scott 🙂
Thanks again for all of this discussion.
I think this is why it so interesting/important to look what is actually included in the products we have on the shelve!
I had a question for our friends at Protexin. Why have you included SAMe over DL-methionine in Denamarin?
Loving asking the questions for a change! 🙂
Sure.
Do you worry about toxicity?
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Sorry!
I did not answer the bit about the chlorambucil! It was added as a second agent from the start to deal with the inflammatory changes particularly in the GI tract, the aim being that we would be able to reduce the dose of steroid sooner.
Hope that helps.
Scott 🙂
Hello.
Thank you so much. Totally agree, these are challenging cases and the decision making can be difficult. Many will do well with antibiotics, hepatoprotection and supportive care. Much of the decision making will depend on imaging too. If there seems to be disease in the GI tract and pancreas too, I will often be more proactive at taking biopsies. If there is any sign of significant biliary tract obstruction, them may also be more immediate surgical candidates. There is not a definitive answer as how long to wait before GA. Sometimes they are still sick when they go for GA. I am happy to send them for GA if cardiovascular system stable and blood pressure normal.
Regarding the immunophenotyping, it is something that can be done on some FNA tissue and sometimes on blood. It depends very much on the individual lab. I would contact the lab you use and they should have a list of typing and staining they are able to do.
Hope that helps.
Scott 🙂
Regarding the cats with weight loss. The answer might be yes! I definitely will run cobalamin folate and fPL in most of my cases. TLI might depend a bit on signs, but not all cats will display classic signs of diarrhoea. Any case with more chronic signs, I would definitely run all of these.
Hello.
Thank you so much for the great questions:
1. I have never used injectable dexamethasone orally, I do not think this would be effective. What might be an option for these cases would be a liquid form of prednisolone. You can get a liquid prednisolone from BOVA:
2. There is indeed a paper about mirtazapine:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30307637/
Basically, I would still use it in liver cases, but will reduce dose/frequency. I would give every other day.
3. In cats we would normally dose chlorambucil 2mg every other day. So every 2 days. This dose can be reduced to the point that it can be given once every 7 days. So it would be 2mg every 7 days.
Hope that makes sense. Let me know if not.
Scott 🙂
Totally agree Sybil. More data needed… is that not the story of veterinary medicine!
I think paracetamol is a great option for many of the cases you mention. Much less of the potential negative GI effects you also touch on. Paracetamol might also be an option for pregnant and lactating bitches. As far as I am aware paracetamol is one of the only drugs pregnant humans are allowed to take?! Others in the group will have more experience of that than me!
Scott 🙂
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