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Sara…
Were they saying that the alpha 2’s had a renoprotective effect? Could you ask them a bit more about it/do they have a reference. Not something I have heard before and really interesting!
Thanks for that.
Scott ๐
Really interesting!!!
Is this generally, or in cases of urethral obstruction. I have not heard this but have just fired off an email to an anaesthesia specialist to find out more! I will let you know.
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Keppra is a good shout!
I often escalate like Zoe says. Diazepam/midazolam first choice with phenobarbitone next and then Keppra, then propofol?! It often feels like we are giving all at once!
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Hey.
It does seem like it was a last resort in these cases. What would you use in really refractory cases in practice?
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Thanks.
Is the diazepam and methadone alone enough to unblock some?
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You may need the whole bottle by the end!
Let me know how you get on.
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HAHA!
Agreed!
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Hello Charlotte.
I hope you are well. Thank you so much for joining the course. I hope you are enjoying it so far.
It is a really good question regarding the notes. We had decided that we would not provide formal notes from previous feedback we have had. We are happy to provide PDF copies of all of the lectures if that would help.
Just drop me an email and we can sort that out info@vtx-cpd.com
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Indeed… spread the word!
It is a nice paper.
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It seems cost is the biggest issue.
That is such a shame because it is so much easier! I still have nightmares about having to give them that powdered form!
I wonder why is costs so much?! I would heave thought the active ingredient was quite cheap!
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It is indeed.
It is that back and forward motion.
This is also the first time someone has posted a video in the forum… it works really well. Thank you for that.
I do like to have my patients a bit more sedated than this for liver FNA’s. I think especially if you are going it for the first time, it helps if they are still and not reactive!
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Great question Sara and great points Simon.
There are a couple of studies in dogs where both drugs are used. Problem is that most involve maropitant being given and then around an hour later the apomorphine is given:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28042152/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19000276/I think the main point is due to the timing of the drug administration and how long to peak effect. If we are giving the maropitant SC after the apomorphine, it is probably starting to work after the emetic effect of the apomorphine has passed. I think it probably has little effect.
Makes us feel better for sure.
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I think that is a really good point.
I definitely use them in a cumulative way. If maropitant id not effective enough. I will add in metoclopramide and then ondansetron. I really do think some cases need all three.
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Interesting!
Have you often given it IV?
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Hello.
Thank you so much for your question. I am so glad you are enjoying the course.
Electrolyte abnormalities also commonly occur as a complication of diuretic treatment. The normal physiologic response to increased sodium and water loss is the stimulation of homeostatic mechanisms that attempt to more vigorously retain sodium and water. Predominant among these mechanisms is the RAAS. Less commonlyโalthough significantlyโvasopressin release is sometimes also stimulated by a marked fall in blood pressure secondary to heart disease or diuretic treatment. One of the effects of the stimulation of these homeostatic mechanisms is altered handling of electrolytes. Increased activity of aldosterone will tend to favour sodium retention and potassium loss in the distal nephron. This leads to one of the more commonly observed consequences of loop diuretic administration: hypokalaemia. Hypokalaemia is less likely to be observed in patients if they are concurrently receiving treatments that tend to counteract the RAAS. More widespread use of angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors and spironolactone, in addition to loop diuretics, mean that hypokalaemia now is seen less frequently. The situation in which it is now probably most likely to be encountered is during the emergency stabilization of patients where they are likely to receive large doses of furosemide and might not yet have been started on other agents.
Hypokalaemia can contribute to the development, or worsen the symptoms, of hepatic encephalopathy. Hypokalaemia increases proximal tubule ammoniagenesis. Approximately 50% of proximal tubule ammonia production is returned to the systemic circulation via the renal veins.
Hope that helps.
Scott ๐
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