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Replying to Sybil Dryburgh 24/01/2022 - 23:13
I suppose the question is how to make more of a definitive link?
And more important… could it help us therapeutically?
Scott ๐
Replying to Sybil Dryburgh 24/01/2022 - 23:13
Thank you so much for this Sybil.
I think this has come from a letter to the editor in JAVMA. I have popped the letter below with the references:
Unique sensitivity of dogs to tartaric acid and implications for toxicity of grapes
The ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center has received several reports of dogs exposed to potassium bitartrate (cream of tartar). In one report, exposure to 2 teaspoons of cream of tartar resulted in acute vomiting and severe azotemia with serum creatinine concentration of 5.9 mg/dL (reference range, 0.5 to 1.8 mg/dL) and isosthenuria within 30 hours. In another report, a dog that ingested homemade play dough made with cream of tartar developed severe vomiting and azotemia (creatinine, 8.5 mg/dL) within 24 hours. The dog was euthanized, and renal histopathologic changes were similar to those described with grape and raisin toxicosis in dogs, including cortical tubular degeneration, necrosis, and mineralization, with some evidence of regeneration.
Potassium bitartrate is the salt of tartaric acid, and both potassium bitartrate and tartaric acid are uniquely present in high concentrations in grapes and tamarinds. Older studies have demonstrated species differences in absorption, elimination, and toxicity of tartaric acid and its sodium salt, potassium sodium tartrate (Rochelle salt), with dogs identified as having substantial absorption and rapid, high renal elimination.1 Information regarding the toxicity of potassium bitartrate in animals is lacking, although one study2 found obstructive nephropathy in rats. Tartrates are considered to have a wide margin of safety in humans, but there is a report3 of hyperkalemia following ingestion of cream of tartar in a human. In humans, tartaric acid is fermented by colonic bacteria to produce short-chain fatty acids, and absorption following ingestion is low.8,11
The amount of tartaric acid and potassium bitartrate in grapes varies with type, growing conditions, and ripening. At the beginning of ripening, tartaric acid concentrations may reach 20 g/L (2%) and, in general, range between 3.5 and 11 g/L (0.35% and 1.1%).5 The amount of acid in grapes at harvest is commonly studied for wine-making purposes, but it is unclear whether the amounts described include the potassium bitartrate salt, which increases at the expense of free tartaric acid concentrations during ripening. In dogs, ingestion of grapes at doses of 20 to 150 g/kg (0.32 to 2.4 oz/lb) has been reported to result in nephrotoxicosis.6 Assuming a tartaric acid content of 1%, this would represent tartaric acid doses of 196 to 1,484 mg/kg (89 to 675 mg/lb), consistent with the nephrotoxic range found in tartaric acid studies involving dogs.1 Another source4 reported that 5 g of cream of tartar is approximately equivalent to the amount of tartaric acid in 120 g (4.2 oz) of raisins. For a 10-kg dog, this would be a dose of 0.5 g of tartaric acid/kg (0.23 g/lb) or 12 g of raisins/kg (0.19 oz/lb), which is consistent with reported toxic doses of raisins (2.8 to 37 g of raisins/kg [0.045 to 0.59 oz/lb]).6 Interestingly, the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center has had reports of severe vomiting and acute renal failure in dogs following large exposures to tamarinds, which are also uniquely high in tartaric acid.
Owing to the similar clinical courses (vomiting and acute renal failure) and histologic findings following ingestion of potassium bitartrate and grapes in dogs as well as the demonstrated dog susceptibility to tartaric acid, we propose that tartaric acid and its salt, potassium bitartrate, are the toxic principles in grapes leading to acute renal failure in dogs. Variable concentrations may explain the inconsistency in clinical signs in dogs following grape and raisin ingestion. Furthermore, excess tartrates are removed (detartrated) from commercial wine and juice products to protect flavor and appearance.
This removal of potassium bitartrate from processed products could account for the lack of toxicosis following ingestion of products such as juice, jam, and wine.
Colette Wegenast, dvm
Irina Meadows, dvm
ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center Urbana, Ill
Rachele Anderson, dvm
South Shore Veterinary Hospital Cicero, NY
Teresa Southard, dvm, phd
College of Veterinary Medicine Cornell University Ithaca, NY
1. โ Younes M, Aquilina G, Castle L, et al. Re-evaluation of l(+)-tartaric acid (E 334), sodium tartrates (E 335), potassium tartrates (E 336), potassium sodium tartrate (E 337) and calcium tartrate (E 354) as food additives. EFSA J 2020;18:e06030.
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2. โ Inoue K, Morikawa T, Takahashi M, et al. Obstructive nephropathy induced with dl-potassium hydrogen tartrate in F344 rats. J Toxicol Pathol 2015;28:89โ97.
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3. โ Rusyniak DE, Durant PJ, Mowry JB, et al. Life-threatening hyperkalemia from cream of tartar ingestion. J Med Toxicol 2013;9:79โ81.
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4. โ Spiller GA, Story JA, Furumoto EJ, et al. Effect of tartaric acid and dietary fibre from sun-dried raisins on colonic function and on bile acid and volatile fatty acid excretion in healthy adults. Br J Nutr 2003;90:803โ807.
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5. โ Moreno J, Peinado R. Grape acids. In: Moreno J, Peinado R, eds. Enological chemistry. London: Academic Press, 2012;121โ134.
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6. โ Eubig PA, Brady MS, Gwaltney-Brant SM, et al. Acute renal failure in dogs after the ingestion of grapes or raisins: a retrospective evaluation of 43 dogs (1992โ2002). J Vet Intern Med 2005;19:663โ674.
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Replying to Jessica W. 28/12/2021 - 15:02
Hello Jessica.
I am so sorry about my delay in reply… I have no idea how I missed your question!
I am glad you are enjoying the course.
This is a brilliant question. I was maybe not as clear as I should have been. Two weeks may indeed be enough. I may extend this if there has been a partial response.
Dogs with food-responsive disease typically show improvement to a strict dietetic therapy within 14 days (Allenspach et al. 2016). However, response may be individualised and relies heavily on the composition of the diet selected with respect to whether the dog has a nutrient (e.g. fat intolerance) or ingredient (e.g. chicken allergy) specific disease. Moreover, commercially available diets in each of these categories can still vary dramatically in their fibre composition and content, protein ingredient type and amount, and fat content. Thus, multiple diet trials should be considered before deeming the disease non-food responsive. Diets that are often considered for dogs with CE include highly digestible (i.e. low residue), fibre-enriched, low fat, novel, hydrolysed, limited ingredient protein or home-made.
Hope that helps.
Scott ๐
Hello.
Thank you so much for this. I am so glad it was helpful.
I was not able to see the photo. Can you email it to me and I will try and attach it?
Scott xx
Replying to Daphna S. 10/01/2022 - 09:52
Hello Daphna.
Happy new year! I am so glad that the lesson was helpful!
Let me know if you have any quetions.
Scott ๐
Hello everyone!
I hope you are all safe and well and have had a wonderful Christmas and New Year!
My name is Scott and I am one of the founders of vtx. I am a European and RCVS Veterinary Specialist in Small Animal Internal Medicine. I look forward to speaking to you later in the course!
Please let me know if you have any questions at anytime. I will do my best to answer. If you are not comfortable posting questions here, please drop me an email:
Scott ๐
Replying to Gabriela Gonzalez-Ormerod 07/12/2021 - 18:49
Hello Gaby.
I am really sorry about the delay in getting back to you. It is a really great question. I have summarised some of the antithrombotic treatment information from the consensus statement below:
The terms โthromboprophylaxisโ and โantithromboticsโ encompass both antiplatelet drugs, designed to inhibit platelet function (primary haemostasis), and anticoagulant drugs, designed to inhibit the activity of clotting factors (secondary haemostasis). Clopidogrel is an antiplatelet and rivaroxaban is an anticoagulant drug.
What we definitely do know is that thromboprophylaxis be provided for all dogs with IMHA, except those with severe thrombocytopenia (platelet count <30โ000/ฮผL). A substantial body of evidence indicates that IMHA in dogs is associated with an increased risk of thrombosis, and that thrombotic disease is a leading cause of morbidity and mortality in dogs with IMHA. The pathophysiology of thrombosis in IMHA is complex, involving endothelial activation, intravascular tissue factor expression, procoagulant microparticle generation, platelet activation, and an imbalance of pro- and anticoagulant factors.
The following is a recommendation from the consensus with relatively weak evidence:
''Based on the pathophysiology of venous thromboembolism commonly encountered in dogs with IMHA, we suggest that a regimen incorporating anticoagulants may be preferred for thromboprophylaxis, particularly during the first 2โweeks after diagnosis. The available anticoagulants may be used alone or combined with antiplatelet drugs. If treatment with an anticoagulant, and its associated monitoring, is not available or feasible, we suggest administration of antiplatelet drugs in preference to no antithrombotic drug''.
Many of the anticoagulant drugs can be challenging to monitor/not as widely available, so often antiplatelet drugs are given alone.
Thrombosis in IMHA predominantly affects the venous system, where thrombi form under low-shear conditions. Such thrombi typically are rich in fibrin, and their formation is less dependent upon platelet number or function, providing a rationale for administration of anticoagulant drugs. Although platelet activation can be detected in dogs with IMHA, this phenomenon probably occurs secondary to pathologic tissue factor-mediated thrombin generation, rather than as a primary event. Nevertheless, the cell-based model of haemostasis posits that platelets are integral to haemostasis in vivo. There is thus a rationale for the use of antiplatelet drugs in venous thrombosis. Experimental data support this proposition to some degree, and evidence in humans suggests that antiplatelet drugs do decrease the risk of venous thrombosis. However, this should be viewed in the context of the substantial body of evidence in humans supporting administration of anticoagulants as first line prophylactic drugs for venous thrombosis.
The consensus actually recommends the following:
''We suggest the administration of unfractionated heparin (UFH) with individual dose adjustment (using an anti-Xa assay) in preference to other drugs. This drug should not be used without individual dose adjustment. If this is not available or feasible, we suggest administering injectable low-molecular-weight heparins or direct PO Xa inhibitors. When using injectable low-molecular-weight heparins, we suggest individual dose adjustment (using an anti-Xa assay) may be useful to achieve a therapeutic dose.
Suggested starting dosages for these drugs are:
Unfractionated heparin (IV): 100โU/kg bolus, then 900โU/kg/24โh
Unfractionated heparin (SC): 150-300โU/kg q6h
Dalteparin (SC): 150-175โU/kg q8h
Enoxaparin (SC): 0.8-1.0 mg/kg q6-8h
Rivaroxaban (PO): 1-2 mg/kg q24hInsufficient evidence is available to make strong recommendations on the choice of anticoagulant in IMHA. The strongest evidence supports the use of individually dose-adjusted UFH. Other anticoagulants including enoxaparin and rivaroxaban appear to be safe and may be efficacious, but RCTs are lacking.
Anti-Xa monitoring is not widely available to veterinarians. If an anti-Xa assay is not available, then it is reasonable to consider the activated clotting time, activated partial thromboplastin time (aPTT), thrombin generation, or viscoelastic tests to monitor anticoagulant treatment. Nomograms for adjustment of UFH treatment using aPTT and thromboelastographic assays have been proposed, but are currently only available in abstract form. The original derivation of UFH aPTT prolongation targets was performed using thrombotic models in dogs.
If antiplatelet drugs are administered, we suggest that clopidogrel be used in preference to aspirin. We suggest that clopidogrel be administered at a dosage of 1.1-4.0โmg/kg PO q24h. A single PO loading dose (eg, double the maintenance dosage or up to 10โmg/kg) may be useful for obtaining therapeutic plasma concentrations rapidly. If aspirin is selected as an antiplatelet drug, it should be administered at a dosage of 1-2โmg/kg q24h and could be combined with clopidogrel.''
In summary using anticoagulant therapy is recommended, but there are inherent challenges with the use of these drugs. Rivaroxaban is probably the most practical. I would probably use in combination with clopidogrel, especially in the first couple of weeks. Something is better than nothing and clopidogrel alone if nothing else!
I will let Liz answer the bit about HCM!
Scott x
Replying to Rosemary S. 01/11/2021 - 11:31
Hello Rosemary.
I hope you have had a wonderful Christmas!
I have no idea how I have missed this question… I am so sorry! Probiotics is a great question. I find the following article is a good review:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GitsWnXb92Fs3Gk_Km3i4agw19Ff3qJj/view?usp=sharing
I think the summary points for this article are really useful and helpful from a clinical point of view:
1. When considering treatment for acute uncomplicated diarrhoea, probiotics are likely a better choice (unlikely to cause harm, possible shortening of recovery time) than antibiotics (can cause significant and long standing gut dysbiosis).
2. When considering probiotics as adjunctive treatment to infectious disease, there is so far only some evidence for the benefit of Enterococcus faecium for Tritrichomonas foetus infection in cats.
3. Saccharomyces boulardii is an interesting potential probiotic, that has shown promising results in reducing antibiotic-induced diarrhoea in dogs as well as improve clinical scores in dogs with chronic enteropathy and PLE.
4. Specific probiotic blends can be as efficient in treating canine chronic enteropathy than antibiotic and glucocorticoid treatment combined.
5. When treating feline chronic constipation, a specific probiotic blend can be considered as adjunctive treatment.
Overall, there is still a huge amount for us to learn about probiotic. The main benefit of their use is that they do no harm. So, I would pretty much use them whenever there may be any benefit. I tend to use the following products:
With the VSL, I would base it on the study that demonstrated a benefit. The VSL#3 group (D-VSL#3; nโ=โ10) received between 112 and 225 billion (112 to 225ร109) lyophilized bacteria per 10 kg daily for 60 consecutive days. The amount will depend on the exact product (they vary in bacteria concentration). There is a mixture of capsules or powder.
With the other would be Sivomixx:
https://www.sivomixx.net/en/author/sivoy/
Obviously there are lots of other veterinary probiotics in practice. For these, I would follow the individual manufacturer guidelines.
I hope that helps.
Scott ๐
Replying to Josie B. 22/12/2021 - 12:40
Hello.
Thank you for your amazing comments. Let me share the pathologists report:
Site Liver
Microscopic Description
Liver: Preservation is moderate and nucleated cellularity is low to moderate. Slide no4 contains
predominantly dense blood. The remaining scans contain variable amounts of fresh blood and small lipid
spaces. There are low to moderate numbers of well-differentiated hepatocytes arranged in sheets and clusters. Low numbers of erythrocytes and focal clusters contain low numbers of small clear punctate
vacuoles. There is rare focal moderate intracanalicullar bile stasis (bile casts). There are rare isolated
slender fusiform mesenchymal cells (presumed to be fibroblasts). Streaked nuclear material is frequently
associated with a parasite clusters and, in these areas, neutrophils and small lymphocytes occasionally
appear overrepresented. Infectious agents and atypical cells are not identified.Microscopic Interpretation
Moderate focal cholestasis. Mild focal discrete vacuolar change.
Comments
Aspirates have harvested predominantly fresh blood however, within the hepatocytes there is evidence to
support cholestasis and although this is focal, it is moderate. The mild indiscrete vacuolar change is
non-specific and may be associated with elevated metabolic stress associated with inflammation of
varying aetiologies (hepatic and nonhepatic), as well as metabolic disease (e.g. pancreatitis).
Overt inflammation and infectious agents are not identified however this is a relatively small sample. The
fibroblast presence may be compatible with fibrosis however, this requires histopathology for definitive
diagnosis. Given the slightly increased numbers of leukocytes associated with hepatocytes, although overall
leukocyte numbers do not appear elevated mild inflammation cannot be excluded. Biopsy with
histopathology for evaluation of tissue architecture and tissue culture may be of value should changes
persist.I was interested with your pancreatitis comments, what made you suggest that?
Thanks again for your brilliant comments.
Scott ๐
Replying to Josie B. 22/12/2021 - 17:06
Josie.
I am so blown away by your comments. It really is so kind of you to share that. I am so honoured to have a played a small part in keeping you in the veterinary loop. I honestly forget people listen and am so blown away when they say they do.
Truly, thank you. I hope you and yours have had the most wonderful Christmas.
Scott x
Replying to Josie B. 22/12/2021 - 16:36
Hello!
Another brilliant question. Really there can be many extra hepatic causes of increased liver parameters. I think it all has to be taken in the context of the case. There can definitely be increases in liver parameters with more severe dental disease. Mild/moderate increases in ALP in these cases would not stop me from going ahead with the GA in these cases. It is when the increases in ALT become more significant that I start to worry a little more.
With the mild increases in ALT and ALP, it is most likely to be a reactive hepatopathy. I would consider UDCA/sAME as support but would still go ahead with procedure.
Hope that helps.
Scott ๐
Replying to Josie B. 22/12/2021 - 13:08
Hello!
Hope you are well. Really lovely to hear from you. I am in awe that you have found the time to listen to the lectures and have such a young child in the house!
It is a really good question. I definitely a belt and braces approach to leptospirosis diagnosis if possible. I would try and get blood and urine for PCR as well as sending off the MAT serology. The antibiotics will definitely affect the PCR results quite quickly but you will still get a rising antibody despite antibiotic therapy. How much this will dampen/affect the titre is difficult to determine and poorly documented. I am not able to find a huge amount in the literature. Basically, it would never be a reason to hold off the antibiotics and you should still see a rise in the titre.
Hope that makes sense!
Scott ๐
Replying to Gabriela Gonzalez-Ormerod 07/12/2021 - 18:33
Hey Gabriela.
Hope you are well. It is a really interesting drug! I think we will see more and more data over the next few years to support its use!
Scott ๐
Replying to Alice L 14/12/2021 - 21:22
I feel your pain!
Let me know if there were any questions we did not answer.
Scott ๐
Replying to Alice L 09/12/2021 - 14:11
Hey.
I have spoken to Andy (who works at a dermatology only practice) and they are struggling too.
I will try other places and keep you updated.
Scott ๐
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